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FARNBOROUGH WRAP-UP: Top Air Show Stories From Monday

Monday’s top stories from the Farnborough International Airshow: =FOCUS:Airbus New A350 More Competitive, Challenges Ahead
FARNBOROUGH, England -(Dow Jones)- Airbus’ decision to develop bigger and more efficient versions of its mid-sized A350 plane is a step forward, but it may put more strain on the company’s already stretched resources, analysts said. Boeing Makes, Rescinds Claim Of Qatar Order For 20 777s
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–The fate of a Qatar Airways order for 20 Boeing Co. (BA) 777s aircraft was shrouded in mystery Monday as Boeing removed from its Web site an earlier statement saying it had secured the sale. Qatar Airways: Still in Talks With Boeing - Spokeswoman
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Qatar Airways said Monday it has made no decision on an order for any Boeing (BA) planes, but it is still in talks with the U.S. company. Airbus Still In Talks With Qatar Airways - Oper Chief
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Airbus is still in negotiations with Qatar Airways about a possible aircraft order for the airline, John Leahy, Airbus’ chief operating officer, customers, said Monday. UK Trade Secretary: UK National To Sit On EADS Board
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–U.K. Secretary of State for Trade and Industry Alistair Darling said Monday that the U.K. government had secured three guarantees from European Aeronautic & Defence Co. (5730.FR) protecting British interests. Boeing Makes, Rescinds Claim Of Qatar Order For 20 777s
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–The fate of a Qatar Airways order for 20 Boeing Co. (BA) 777s aircraft was shrouded in mystery Monday as Boeing removed from its Web site an earlier statement saying it had secured the sale. Boeing Takes LoadAir Order For Two 747-400ER Freighters
FARNBOROUGH, England–(Dow Jones) Boeing Co. (BA) said Monday it booked an order for two 747-400ER freighters from LoadAir, a startup freight carrier in Kuwait. The Chicago aircraft maker valued the deal at $494 million, based on list prices. Boeing Books Lion Air Order For 30 737-900ERs
FARNOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Boeing Co. (BA) has taken an order for 30 new 737-900 extended-range aircraft from low-cost Indonesian airline Lion Air, the company said Monday at the Farnborough International Airshow. Airbus Gets Plane Order From India’s GoAir
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Airbus said Monday that India’s GoAir has signed a purchase agreement for 10 A320-family planes with an option for 10 more. UK Trade Secretary: UK National To Sit On EADS Board
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–U.K. Secretary of State for Trade and Industry Alistair Darling said Monday that the U.K. government had secured three guarantees from European Aeronautic & Defence Co. (5730.FR) protecting British interests. Sikorsky Launches New Black Hawk Line, Plans Overseas Mfg
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Sikorsky Aircraft Corp. Monday announced plans for a new international line of Black Hawk helicopters that will be manufactured overseas. Airbus Announces Launch Of A350 XWB
FANBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–Airbus said Monday it will launch a newly designed A350 airplane that will include a wider cabin, new engines, larger windows, more advanced electrical systems and lower engine maintenance costs. =Lawmakers Ask FAA To Spend More On Plane Wake Research
FARNBOROUGH, England (Dow Jones)–U.S. House Transportation Committee leaders have asked the Federal Aviation Administration to increase funding for research on wake vortex management, a key issue for big jumbo jets like the new Airbus A380.

Heavy weather flying

Airlines are burning cash to fill seats and subsidise travellers. How long will the party last?

When IndiGo starts operations on August 2 on the Delhi-Guwahati leg it will probably unleash India’s bitterest airfare bloodbath, for its tickets will be priced at least 60 per cent lower than the competition.

Those rock-bottom prices might be available only for a short period, but with six aircraft by the end of the year, the airline hopes to pick up 7,000 passengers every day.

Says Bruce Ashby, president & CEO of IndiGO: “We have budgeted for a loss of Rs 100 crore in the first year of operation. But that is nothing unusual as low-cost carriers take 18-24 months to break-even”.

Three years ago, Air Deccan had started the trend with discount pricing that had established players like Indian Airlines, Jet Airways and Air Sahara forced to introduce discouted fares and flexi-priced options.

Pretty soon, newer airlines joined the grand rush for the skies, and low fares became the norm, as passengers looked around for the most attractive fares rather than preferred airlines.

And it wasn’t long before the aviation industry was split into two — full service “scheduled” carriers where you expected service and enjoyed a premium, and low-cost carriers where the debate was whether you could even buy a meal on board.

All of which is pretty good for the air traveller, but how will the airlines sustain themselves? It’s a question many airline officials were already asking before IndiGo dealt them a blow in the solar plexus.

Clearly, at such low fares, airlines won’t be able to survive accumulating losses. And thanks to IndiGo, raising already low fares is no longer a consideration. Is the party in the sky over even before it’s started?

Take the case of Air Deccan. With accumulated losses of Rs 165 crore, Captain G R Gopi-nath knows he is flying into increasingly turbulent space.

The Air Deccan promoter and CEO admits, “Yes, yields are under tremendous pressure. There is sudden panic and insecurity among existing players. And everyone has dropped prices.”

Gopinath admits it could take two years to bring the company out of the red. “Till then, the challenge is to keep your head above water,” says the king of India’s low-cost carriers. But the market is no longer patient.

Air Deccan’s maiden public issue scraped through — and then only after it reduced the issue price — and has faced a severe beating in the market with its Rs 148 share being traded at slightly over half the issue price.

Even passengers can see that airline companies are haemorrhaging as cut-throat competition forces tariff cuts in the face of escalating fuel prices.

Says Kapil Kaul, who heads aviation consultancy firm Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation, “What you will see is profitless growth, so the key is to survive by financing your losses and, at the same time, expand.”

Industry experts reckon that private airlines lost $250 million last year, and are losing a whopping Rs 200 crore in cash every month just to stay afloat. And given IndiGo’s entry now, and two more airlines to start service (Jagson Airlines this fall, and Easy Air next year), margins will bleed further like a sieve.

With the exception of Kingfisher Airlines, all entrants have chosen to go the low-cost route where the price of the ticket is the only draw. But the airline has made a loss of Rs 200 crore in 11 months of its operation in 2005-6. However, executives in the company hope to bring it down to Rs 100 crore this year.

Surely the new low-cost carriers will play the pricing game, at least when they begin. Agrees U K Bose, CEO of Jagson Airlines, “We will follow the low-cost carrier model and compete with existing players on price.”

IndiGo also points out that it hopes to increase average revenue per passenger from Rs 2,000 to Rs 3,000 as it adds more routes into the network. Adding to the pressure on passenger yields is the problem of non-peak seasons when tariffs fall “by over 20 per cent”, worries Ajay Singh, director, SpiceJet.

Already, investment bankers are ringing warning bells. DSP Merril Lynch in its June report warns investors to stay away from the aviation sector.

Even worse, it predicts that the only profitable airline in the private sector, Jet Airways might make modest losses in the coming quarter because of a sharp decline in yields and an increase in fuel costs.

And HSBC Global Research has forecast that Jet Airways could see its domestic yield fall by 12 per cent in the financial year 2007 as it is forced to surrender more tickets to the discount market.

Yet, to survive, airlines must spend more while they earn less. They need cash to sustain their losses and expand their fleets. Spice Jet needs four additional aircraft this year, Air Deccan is in the market for 16 planes — but the cash to fund those expansions might no longer be that easy to come by.

Many airline companies had hoped to cash in on the stock market boom, but that dream is over. Kingfisher Airlines has been forced to postpone its $200 million IPO issue indefinitely. The reason? The poor response to aviation stocks in the market. The alternative is private placement or raising debt from the market.

Says Kaul, “Capital is available, but at a realistic value.” But Mohan Kumar, Air Deccan’s financial director, warns, “It’s getting difficult for low-cost carriers to get capital because everyone knows they have a high cash burn, and there are more viable opportunities like real estate and power.”

Clearly, over the last few years something has gone wrong. Is it the low-cost model? Or are low tariffs simply not sustainable?

While there has been an unprecedented growth of 25 per cent more air travellers every year — Indian carriers now transport 25 million air passengers, and CAPA estimates this will likely grow to 60 million by 2010 — the critical issue appears to be the cut-throat price competition that has thrown plans out of gear as no one is able to increase fares.

Nor could the low-cost carriers have anticipated that scheduled airlines would fight back so aggressively, discounting fares sharply at the cost of adversely scaling down bottomlines to maintain market share.

Admits a senior executive at an equity fund that has invested money in Air Deccan, “What we did not anticipate was the intensity of the competition, though we were aware of everyone’s plans.”

But it isn’t simply low tariffs that are hurting airlines. Gopinath says that unprecedented expansion has also led to an overcapacity of 15-20 per cent, resulting in a 15 per cent gap between average passenger revenue and average cost incurred per passenger. But to increase tariffs at the cost of losing passengers is simply not an option.

Others say there is no overcapacity at all — of course, at a certain price. GoAir boss Jeh Wadia is contrarily confident those seats will fill up some time soon.

“The market for low fares is greater than the capacity. It just takes time to convert rail travellers to air passengers and educate them on the lowest fares.”

He may have a point — for now. But the reality is that with new players joining rank and existing players opting for expansion, more seats will probably be added before they can be filled up. If all current plans are taken into consideration, 20 million more seats could be added annually, to grow at a compounded 40 per cent at existing industry passenger loadfactors — far higher than the prevalent 25 per cent growth in the marketplace.

Even as low-cost carriers open up new air routes, they have no option but to price tickets lower in order to build up the market (60 per cent of Air Deccan’s flights are on new routes). And now that the Jet-Sahara deal has been aborted, there are apprehensions that Sahara could again aggressively price tariffs to regain its lost market share.

Finally, as infrastructure constraints force more low-cost carriers to operate during off-peak times, any attempt to raise cheap tariffs to peak time rates will be met with opposition.

Scheduled airlines aren’t helping the case of low-cost carriers with their aggressive pricing. Says Ajay Singh of SpiceJet, “On the Mumbai-Delhi route, the difference between low-cost carriers and scheduled carriers is no more than 10-20 per cent.”

Air Deccan points out that on many routes Jet Airways has introduced flights in the same time band as theirs, offering low fares, ensuring lower load factor for low-cost carriers.

Analysts point out that in April-June 2006, Jet Airways sold only 40 per cent of its tickets at full fare, the rest being discounted to compete with low-cost airlines.

The pressure to expand routes has forced these carriers to move away from the classic low-cost model.

Says the CEO of an airline, “Typically, low-cost carriers use only one kind of aircraft, but Air Deccan has both ATRs and Boeings, which increases cost as you need two sets of inventories, spare parts, and even pilots. Other carriers have one kind of plane, but different engines, so again costs go up.”

Air Deccan’s Kumar argues that they have used two types of aircraft to build a new market, since it could not risk large-bodied aircraft on new routes till the numbers stabilised.

But there are other costs against which carriers have no control. The depreciation of the rupee against the dollar has made spare parts more expensive, particularly for low-cost carriers where the percentage of foreign travellers (and therefore dollar earnings) is low.

They’ve also been held hostage by the cost of aviation fuel that has gone up by as much as 30 per cent in the last year (15 per cent in the last three months alone). The option is to pass on the increased cost by increasing the surcharge for fuel on the ticket.

Says SpiceJet’s Singh, “We have passed on most of the fuel hike, but if you ask me if it will dent growth, my answer is it could.” Air Deccan has absorbed half the cost of the fuel increase, which has had an impact on its margins.

Ashby says they have built in the fuel cost hike in their tariff but if it goes up sharply, they may have to re-look at how they’ll cope with the challenge.

Airport infrastructure is another burden on costs. Singh says that an hour of fuel burned because aircraft have to wait in a queue to get landing permission at airports, could make them poorer by Rs 80,000.

Adds Kaul, “Airlines are being forced to keep 2-3 parking slots in various cities where there is a shortage, as a result they pay 70 per cent more than international rates for this infrastructure, but are unable to utilise these assets efficiently.” A shortage of trained manpower and pilots has led to increases on the salary front.

Who will blink first — the airline that will have to increase tariffs to survive, or the passenger who will not fly unless it’s cheap?

Analysts are suggesting that, in spite of the Jet-Sahara merger falling through, what we are likely to see is consolidation within the industry: yes, expect some buyouts.

Tariffs too could move up, but not immediately. Wadia is sure fuel prices won’t go up further. And once the government permits more, he says the “cost of engineering, ground operations and security will go down by 20 per cent under the new aviation policy”.

Other carriers are looking at innovative ways to reduce cash burn and finance their expansion. Gopinath, for instance, is using a sale-and-lease method as a potent weapon to book profits — he earned $7 million selling aircraft he had booked earlier, but leasing them back for use by his airline.

Air Deccan is also part-financing its losses through infusion of equity and revenues earned in advance from ticket sales.

Says Gopinath, “It needs a huge societal change for the 200 million strong middle class to travel by air, but that inflection point will happen soon. Till then, you have to manage your growth and your cash.”

Famous last words?

GoAir offers home delivery of tickets. Brings the convenience of booking to the doorstep.

GoAir, India’s fastest growing airline today announced the launch of its latest offering to passengers; home delivery of tickets. With this new convenience, GoAir aims to create a service that offers flexibility and convenience to passengers to book tickets and have them delivered to their doorstep.

Passengers wanting to avail the home delivery facility can book their tickets a minimum of 3 days in advance of their planned date of travel by calling the GoAir Call Center at 1800222111 or 09223222111. The ticket booked will be delivered to their doorstep within 24 hours at a nominal charge. This charge, in addition to the cost of the ticket at the time of booking, can be paid either by cash or credit card.

Commenting on the occasion, Mr. Jeh Wadia Managing Director GoAir said, “The focus is on convenience. With the home delivery of tickets we are aiming at providing tickets to the Indian traveller in the quickest and most efficient manner.” He further added, “This facility will also assist those passengers who do not have credit cards and want to have the option of paying by cash along with the convenience of door delivery. We are glad to have tied-up with ExpressIT as they have the expertise to conduct home delivery and are aware of the variable factors like map knowledge, route planning, and customer management on the part of their delivery system.”

The home delivery service will be available initially in Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Pune, Goa, Jammu, Jaipur, Hyderabad, Bangalore, Coimbatore and Cochin.

GoAir currently operates a fleet of Airbus A320s covering 13 cities including Delhi, Srinagar and Jammu with a total of 26 daily flights. GoAir has a single class 180-seat configuration on all its aircraft.

GoAir tickets now at your doorstep

Starting Saturday, if you book at least three days in advance and are flying the Wadia group-promoted GoAir, you could get your tickets delivered to your doorstep. At a price, of course.

But the carrier believes that at Rs 225 per PNR booking, its a steal deal. ‘‘Even if you have 10 tickets booked on the same PNR number, the amount will not escalate as its not a per head cost one pays,’’ explains Raj Halve, Chief Commercial Officer, GoAir.

With the exception of Srinagar, the service will be offered across GoAir’s route network, including Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Pune, Goa.

Passengers stranded for 2nd consecutive day at Dabolim

Passengers at Dabolim international airport were stranded for the second consecutive day due to delay and cancellation of flights of various airlines in view of bad weather and heavy downpour in Mumbai.

The incessant rains continued again today in Mumbai affecting the air traffic. Due to this, a number of flights were cancelled while some were operating beyond their schedule time in Goa.

Sources informed The Navhind Times that the Deccan Airways and Jet Airways cancelled one flight each on the Mumbai-Goa route. It was also informed that the Jet Airlines cancelled one of its flight.

Two flights of Kingfisher Airlines and one each of GoAir and Sahara Airlines were delayed causing inconvenience to hundreds of passengers.

Sources also informed that the Indian Airlines flight from Mumbai was cancelled and the one runway of the domestic airport in Mumbai was closed for nearly two hours due to poor visibility and heavy rain.

Flights take off despite weather

Day Five of torrential rains in Mumbai brought some respite for air travellers, as most had to only cope with weather related delays at the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport—starting with hour-long delays in the morning.

But airline schedules were severely affected with the closure of the main runway 09-27 for two hours, due to urgent repair work.

‘‘Urgent maintenance work was done on runway 09-27 at the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport on Wednesday between 2.01 pm and 4 pm,’’ read an statement issued by the Mumbai International Airport Pvt Ltd—the joint venture company tasked with the modernisation and upgradation of the airport.

‘‘Because of the incessant rains, portions of the runway had come undone with loose gravel seen on the tarmac,’’ said an airport source.

Urgent patchwork had to be immediately carried out, which necessitated the runway closure, as gravel may result in foreign object damage to an aircraft, the source explained.

However, the secondary runway 14-32 was made available to operators, the MIAL release added. But with the exception of Air Sahara and Kingfisher, other airlines didn’t use the same because of poor visibility and higher minima required for take-off and landing.

Despite the odds, over 95 per cent domestic flights operated from Mumbai—Indian had no cancellations, but combined three flights on the Goa, Delhi and Bangalore sectors. Newer entrants Kingfisher, SpiceJet and GoAir—they have fewer daily frequencies—also operated all Mumbai flights.

While Air Deccan and Air Sahara had five and three cancellations respectively, Jet Airways cancelled a Porbunder flight, in addition to clubbing flights on the Bangalore sector. Meanwhile, Airport Director R J Treasuryvala refused comment.

Fly GoAir on discount fare

GoAir announced yet another unique scheme aimed at giving value to a key set of customers.

The 10 per cent off on base fare is applicable to all Central and State government employees, present and ex-servicement wishing to avail the discount can do so only across the counter at the airports and should have relevant proof of identity.

Commenting on the special fares Jeh Wadia, managing director GoAir said, ‘The Armed Forces protect our country while the government e employees manage our country and the students are the future of our country.

Our senior citizens have brought us this far as a country and the least we can do is ensure that they travel to destinations in the quickest time possible and in the most cost effective manner.

This is a investment in the people who have helped build our country and who will continue to build for the future.

We believe in giving our passengers great value for money and this offer furthers that proposition to the specific demographics of the country.

We are the first private carrier to offer these special fares to all these key segments of our society. I would also like to clarify that these are not a promotional gimmick and time bound, but a permanent fare’.

GoAir has announced a slew of offers recently including an extended allowance of up to 30 kgs for all international (both Inbound and outbound) passengers traveling on GoAir flights, a Rs 525 base offer on 50,000 tickets which sold out in just under 5 days.

GoAir also closed the buy one get one free ticket offer in a few days due to the overwhelming response they got where every ticket was sold out in a few days of the scheme being announced.

The GoAir website has been inundated with hits and is today one of the highest hit sites in the country

A Web Site Making Travel Simple?

Want to take-off to Kerala during the monsoons but lack the patience to book flights, hotels, et al? Here’s a Web site that promises to do all the work, letting you sit back and enjoy the ride…

Christened “Cleartrip,” the new Web site has been launched as a comprehensive, online travel service. Initially, the site’s operations will be restricted to within the country.

Funded by Ram Shriram’s Sherpalo Ventures and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the Web site has amongst its founders: Sandeep Murthy, Chief Executive Officer, and ex Head of InterActive Corp; Matthew Spacie, Director of Marketing, and ex Chief Operating Officer of Cox & Kings India; Stuart Crighton, Director of Business Development, and ex Head of Abacus Distribution Systems (South and West Asia); as also Hrush Bhatt, Director of e-commerce and Strategy, and ex Lead Consultant to Thomas Cook India.

With a mission statement that reads “making travel simple,” Cleartrip intends to offer ‘travel’ value to its customers and suppliers alike. The Web site claims to provide both leisure and business travelers with convenience, choice, multiple-payment options, competitive prices, exclusive destination information, and superior customer support, among others.

The company is similarly committed to working with airlines and hotels, enabling them accept the new channel of distribution, as also assisting them acquire customers.

Like any other physical travel agent or travel agency, Cleartrip’s revenue model is based on commissions received from its various suppliers.

The Cleartrip Web site features an un-cluttered home page that offers systematic choice under sections and sub-sections named flights in India, hotels in India, round trip, one way, from, to, depart on, return on, adults, children, etc. From hereon, users can exercise multiple-search to arrive at the travel combination of their choice.

The company boasts tie-ups with eight to nine domestic airlines including Jet Airways, Indian, Spice Jet, Kingfisher Airlines, Sahara, GoAir, Air Deccan, etc, as also with more than 900 domestic hotels across the length and breadth of the country. As such, a wide variety of choice is available to users on the Cleartrip Web site.

Additionally, the company claims to have created proprietary destination content around quite-a-few domestic destinations, including shopping and other information.

Commenting on the launch, Ram Shriram, Sherpalo Ventures, said, “Cleartrip provides the best-of-breed in breadth of selection and choice, user experience, and customer service. The Cleartrip team has effectively leveraged its legacy of expertise in travel and technology, to be able to design and deploy a simple solution that will match customers with the best airline or hotel for their travel needs.”

Speaking at the occasion, Sandeep Murthy, chief executive officer, Cleartrip, said, “Cleartrip leverages technology to make the process of finding the right ticket or hotel room simple. With the advent of new air carriers and the increase in hotel capacity, customers will need an intuitive way to navigate the many choices available to them. We are passionate about our customers, and have leveraged our deep understanding of the travel industry and technology, to create the best end-to-end experience for our customers travel needs.”

According to Cleartrip, its Web site offers a unique, search interface wherein customers can mix-and-match their preferences pertaining to airlines, flight timings, price of air tickets, etc, so as to complete the entire travel booking in four simple steps.

The company keeps-up communication with customers through SMS and email, and offers them access to a live help desk in order to address their post-booking needs.

Cleartrip says not only is its booking capability powered by a world-class platform, but also care is taken to protect all financial transactions and customer details. Whereas the company’s operational strategy is a combination of in-house, outsourced, and joint operations.

Oil inflation: Jet hikes fuel surcharge again, others set to follow

Increasing aviation turbine fuel (ATF) prices and burgeoning operating cost of airlines are forcing air carriers to pass on the burden to customers. Air travel in India is set to become costlier as most of the domestic carriers are planning to increase the fuel surcharge by Rs 200-300.

The first off the block is Jet Airways, which has decided to increase its fuel surcharge by Rs 200 to Rs 500 effective from July 7. The new surcharge will be applicable on all types of fares in both Club Premiere and Economy Class tickets on all domestic routes in India.

The airline has attributed the increase in surcharge to the continuing escalation of ATF prices. Fuel cost constitutes nearly 30-35 per cent of the an airline’s operating cost even as ATF prices have increased close to 12 per cent over the last two months.

Meanwhile, domestic carrier Indian is also contemplating increasing its surcharge by Rs 300. ‘‘Given the hike in ATF prices with effect from July 1st, GoAir is considering an option of hiking its current fuel surcharge of Rs 300. We are yet to conclude our evaluation and will take a decision shortly,’’ a GoAir official added.

Air Deccan will also increasing its fuel surcharge by Rs 200. However, no time frame for the levy has been announced.

Public sector oil companies, which revise ATF prices every month, have raised ATF prices by about Rs 900 per kilolitre in step with firming up of international prices. The hike in Mumbai was Rs 946.4 per kilolitre, to Rs 42,731. ATF prices in most of the states differ as airlines have to pay different local levies to the state governments.

Industry sources maintain that the high rate of sales tax on ATF was one of the primary reasons for domestic ATF prices being much higher than global prices. In order to offset these costs, airlines like Jet, Air Deccan and Kingfisher Airlines had decided to impose this surcharge of Rs 200-300 in May.

Even though fuel surcharge is levied by most global airlines, the charge is increasingly coming under regulatory scanner. The latest such case is that of British Airways which is being investigated by the UK and the US regulators for the price fixing of fuel surcharges on its flights to and from the UK

GoAir announces 10 pc discount scheme

GoAir today announced a 10 per cent discount scheme for central and state government employees, current and ex-armed force officers, students and senior citizens.

“This is an investment in the people who have build our country and who will continue to build the future. We believe in giving our passengers great value for money,” GoAir director Jeh Wadia said in a release.

This is not a promotional gimmick and time bound but a permanent offer, he added.

The airline recently announced a slew of offers including an extended allowance of upto 30 kg for all international (inbound and outbound) passengers.

It also offered a Rs 525 base offer on 50,000 tickets.

The airline currently operates a fleet of airbus A320s with 24 flights covering 13 cities including Jammu and Srinagar.

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